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10/19/2016 08:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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08:08:27 AM Start
08:09:30 AM Executive Session: Pension Obligation Bonds
10:51:18 AM Adjourn
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Executive Session
Pension Obligation Bonds
                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
         ANCHORAGE LEGISLATIVE INFORMATION OFFICE                                                                               
                     October 19, 2016                                                                                           
                         8:08 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Note: The following meeting convened in the Anchorage                                                                           
Legislative Information Office and was teleconferenced and                                                                      
recorded in Juneau.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:08:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon called the Senate Finance Committee                                                                          
meeting to order at 8:08 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Anna MacKinnon, Co-Chair                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Peter Micciche, Vice-Chair (via teleconference)                                                                         
Senator Mike Dunleavy (via teleconference)                                                                                      
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Laura Cramer, Staff, Senator Anna MacKinnon; Suzanne                                                                            
Cunningham, Staff, Senator Kevin Meyer; Senator Cathy                                                                           
Giessel; Senator Kevin Meyer.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
David Teal, Director, Legislative Finance Division; Rob                                                                         
Carpenter, Fiscal Analyst, Legislative Finance Division;                                                                        
Megan Wallace, Attorney, Legislative Legal Services.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^EXECUTIVE SESSION: PENSION OBLIGATION BONDS                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:09:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  MOVED to CONVENE an  executive session under                                                                    
Uniform  Rule  22  (b)(1) for  discussion  of  matters,  the                                                                    
immediate  knowledge of  which  would  adversely affect  the                                                                    
finances of a government unit.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly MOVED that the  following individuals will be                                                                    
allowed to attend the executive session:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     DAVID TEAL, DIRECTOR, LEGISLATIVE FINANCE DIVISION                                                                         
     (via teleconference)                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     ROB CARPENTER, FISCAL ANALYST, LEGISLATIVE FINANCE                                                                         
     DIVISION (via teleconference)                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     MEGAN WALLACE, ATTORNEY, LEGISLATIVE LEGAL SERVICES                                                                        
     (via teleconference)                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     LAURA CRAMER, STAFF, SENATOR ANNA MACKINNON                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SUZANNE CUNNINGHAM, STAFF, SENATOR KEVIN MEYER                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:10:18 AM                                                                                                                    
EXECUTIVE SESSION                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:45:34 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   stated  that  the   executive  session                                                                    
related to  the pension obligation bonds.  She stressed that                                                                    
there  was  a  problem   in  Alaska's  pension  system.  She                                                                    
announced that there was a  $6.1 billion unfunded liability,                                                                    
and  the  liquidity  in  the system  was  in  jeopardy.  She                                                                    
stressed that  the legislature wanted  to ensure  that there                                                                    
was a healthy  pension system. She shared  that the governor                                                                    
had  proposed to  solve the  problem by  issuing up  to $3.3                                                                    
billion of  pension obligation bonds.  She felt that  it may                                                                    
be irresponsible  to borrow against  equity, when  there was                                                                    
no immediate  revenue to pay  the bills. She  explained that                                                                    
the governor proposed  issuing the bonds, if  there could be                                                                    
a borrowing rate  of under 4 percent. She  stated that there                                                                    
was  a resolution  from the  Pension Obligation  Board which                                                                    
had a borrowing rate of up to 4.25 percent.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly remarked that the  governor had a legal right                                                                    
to  propose the  issuance of  pension obligation  bonds. The                                                                    
governor was given  that authority in a  2008 statute, which                                                                    
allowed the  governor to bypass the  preparation process set                                                                    
in law.  He stressed that  the governor was not  outside the                                                                    
bounds of  legal authority.  He pointed  out that  the state                                                                    
was much  different than it was  in 2008, and felt  that the                                                                    
proposal may  not be  the best route.  He remarked  that the                                                                    
Senate  Finance  Committee  did  not  represent  the  entire                                                                    
legislature,   but   communicated   that  there   was   some                                                                    
resistance to the governor's proposal.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  felt  that the  pension  obligation  bonds                                                                    
issuance  was   not  unreasonable.  He  remarked   that  the                                                                    
governor had the  option to sell the bonds,  should a better                                                                    
situation occur.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Micciche  agreed with the recent  comments of the                                                                    
other members.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:51:18 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:51 a.m.                                                                                         

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